SECOND INVESTIGATION

[faentasy]

INVESTIGATION II

Early to bed, early to rise. At least it seems that's how it was for you last night, no matter what you were doing. Given the events of the past weekend, you might find your mind jumping to conclusions.

Only one way to find out if you're right.

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[hellochildren]

[Oof, that’s gotta hurt. But it is somewhat odd. Gin was the one among them that had fought ghosts with a sword, and he goes down with only two wounds? Odd, quite odd indeed.

First, the neck. Assuming the carotid and jugular were cut, is there anything of note with the wound?]

[faentasy]

[It does go through those arteries and veins quite cleanly, yes. The wound is slightly angled diagonally, with it being higher on the left side of Gin's neck than his right. In addition, the wound appears to be deeper on the left side compared to the right.

There is also a lot of blood coming from the wound too and it's all over his neck and the front of his clothes too, but that's life (death?).]

[mathodical]

[ while pericles is looking at the wounds in more detail william is going to start looking at the bigger picture of things! you know. trying to profile the killer and all that.

firstly, body placement! any signs of struggle evident, or like anything that he'd be able to deduce about the killer - whether the body was placed deliberately flopped over or was it just gravity doing its work, was the body turned since gin's face was obscured

does the amount of blood on the floor track with the wounds? both in amount and positioning, like was he left to bleed out there or were the wounds made first and then he was moved - pls give deets ]

[faentasy]

[Gin's body is just slumped there on his side, so nothing particularly special about placement (other than it looking kind of uncomfortable to lie in your own blood ig). His face is obscured because he's kind of just flopped there though.

The blood... well, the apparent size of the pool is certainly consistent with such a wound if you go by the perimeter of it. The interesting part is there are some rather random swirls and streaks in the blood pool that leave less overall volume than you'd expect. Hell, there are parts where enough blood has been swept away that you can see the floor.]

[mathodical]

[ disliking the implications of this. still on the body placement - does it look like gin was overpowered in any way? please confirm that there was no evidence of a fight and even morgan's house evidence would be consistent with that?

do the swirls and streaks in the blood look like they were caused by an inanimate object, or do they look consistent with let's say, fingers being drawn through blood or blood streaks because something was dragged through them? can we get a fishy diagram of how the blood streaks and swirls look and relative placement of the body, onegai

assuming that the blood has been there since the time of death, how much of it has been dried up and how much of it is still wet?

also, how fucked up are gin's clothes, especially near the stab wound and the slash on his arm ]

[faentasy]

[Regarding being overpowered, what exactly is William looking for here? Broken objects in the vicinity? Additional wounds on Gin?

The streaks and swirls aren't really unidirectional or anything, they're just kind of all over, really. Here is an exceedingly shitty diagram for your reference.

Most of it seems dry, actually? Because the swirling and the streaking did thin out some of the parts of the pool so those areas are fairly dry as are the edges. Some areas of the pool where there was less disturbance may still be slightly tacky though. I'm also dumb and forgot to mention there are also places where some flour has clumped up with the blood so that's also a fun detail!

Gin's clothes are pretty okay if you count 'being soaked in the blood of their owner' okay. Most of the blood on his clothes is localized to chest and the side that's lying in the puddle. There's one hole in his clothes where the chest stab wound is and one long gash in the sleeve where the left arm wound is.

...Also while William's paying attention to the clothes, he can notice that there seems to be some compressed flour stuck to the bottom of Gin's sandals. Some of it comes off randomly and is now floating in the air.]

[mathodical]

[ yes to all of the above! more specifically, he'll be looking for evidence of a fight, additional wounds that may or may not have drawn blood, anything that would suggest that gin was taken by surprise, rumpled clothing from struggling, broken furniture or furniture that would suggest someone knocking against it etc. - gin's not a tiny dude so, you know, the implication is that he's not easy to take down.

ok sorry gin he's going to have to desecrate your robes a bit because he's definitely ripping off a strip of cloth from the outer robe to do this test - how long would the cloth strip have to be if he uses it to measure the diameter of the blood pool? and sure he's taking a blood sample via the cloth WHY NOT

also related, because of the echo house shenanigery, does it affect the floor in echo house b if he does that blood test??

HAUNTED FLOUR............ assuming that he did the same tests as adora did (eg. checking for stickage, how they're floating), would he get exactly the same results?

but also, speaking of the flour, is it concentrated mostly on gin's sandals/the area around his feet or is more of it clumping up with the blood, inquiring minds want to know. what's the flour to blood ratio, did someone try to use flour to soak up the blood oh dear god

are there any footprints around containing blood/floor or a mix of both? trying to isolate whether the flour shenanigans happened post death or before, ]

[faentasy]

[There's a table with some chairs and a dresser in the room, but they're at the end of the room and pretty far away from where Gin's body lays. There's no obvious damage around in general, but it's a decently empty and spacious room to begin with, so. Gin also has a thin gash through his left sleeve although his clothes are black and his sleeves are baggy, so it's hard to tell much about that at a glance.

It's a big puddle! Maybe it stretches about a foot away from Gin's head? But honestly, all you need to know is it's a pretty big pool.

There's no blood in Echo House B! So assuming William does this and runs over to check there, he won't see anything. The texture of the flour on the sandals would be the same. Re: floatiness, you do mean he's going to pick some from the sandals and yell at Adora to tell him what's up on the other side or...?

There's definitely quite of bit of flour compressed onto the sandals but there's also a fair amount right around Gin's body. They're not in giant clumps or anything like what you'd use to soak up vomit--the clumps are pretty small and just randomly mixed in with the blood. There's generally more flour around Gin's body, kind of like a faint and inconsistent outline. Flour to blood is like 1:10 or something.

No footprints there, nope.]

[mathodical]

[ MY BAD since that wasn't clear but no he'll probably independently do similar tests to what adora did in this thread, I just wanted to confirm that the results would be similar so that you didn't have to type it out all over again!

also just to confirm - the slash on his right arm is the one that's on the wound diagram (where the knives cut through both cloth and flesh) but the slash on his left arm only cut through the fabric and didn't nick any of the skin/didn't cause a wound? unless I'm misunderstanding something or can't tell right from left--

why is someone trying to draw a body outline in flour THERE ARE BETTER THINGS TO DO SO WITH... what on Earth was going through the killer's mind when they did this... he'll make a note about the sandals having a whole bunch of flour packed into them pretty densely.

just to confirm, there are no bags of flour lying around?! would william be able to tell where all the flour came from, is there a trail...

also since Morgan mentioned about the knives and is bringing them over for the two professors to examine - are all the knives exactly the same? Are there any variations in the knives - chef's knife, steak knife, paring knife, butter knife even. do all the wounds on gin look like they were caused by different knives or the same knife... ]

[faentasy]

[He'd get the same results Adora would, yes!

There's no wound on his right arm (unless i fucked something up on the diagram rip); there's only a cut on his left! William just wouldn't be able to see the left arm wound without messing with Gin's sleeve because it's just loose and baggy.

To be clear, it's not an exact outline per se, because it's not like the flour is in one completely unbroken and uniform line. But the flour just seems to be pressed up and around Gin's body and follows his contours.

There aren't any bags of flour lying out in the open, nope! No obvious trail to lead him to where the flour came from either.

The knives are all chef's knives. Gin has 3 pretty different wounds on him (stab, slit throat and the gash) so it's inconclusive if they're all caused by the same knife.]

[mathodical]

[ how sharp are the knives and how easily can they cut through cloth and flesh? gotta cover all bases here!

... sorry gin, testing it on his body again. this is a bad habit he's picked up from Sherlock Holmes ]

[faentasy]

[William please. I guess he's just going to cut Gin's arm in front of Pericles' salad???? This is fine.

But anyways, the knives can certainly slice through the fabric and Gin's skin pretty cleanly although obviously this is going to depend on how much force William is using. Anyways, it seems apparent that these knives have been pretty well-maintained!]

[biyishuangfei]

[ Huaisang will quietly sneak into here while everyone's busy working hard. At least he finally got some rest.

...Okay, everyone's got everything handled! That's good.

He'll curiously peer at the table with the chairs, however. Was there anything notable around/about these things? Anything underneath the table or on the tables or was he good to slip on back out? ]

[faentasy]

[The chairs and table are unharassed and don't show any signs of being disturbed, so he's good to slip back out!]

[hellochildren]

[The first wound, most likely. Those tend to bleed heavily, especially when combined with hitting both of those major areas.

One other thing about the neck wound. Is the cut clean or jagged? Maybe not the most important thing, but it’s something worth checking, just in case.]

[faentasy]

[The cut is clean!]

[hellochildren]

[Alright, that’s one thing cleared up about the weapon already. Possibly minor, but anything is better than nothing.

Chest wound next. What’s the size of it? Does it look like it could be from the same blade as the one that caused the neck wound? Is there much blood coming from it?

What’s the deetz.]

[faentasy]

[The chest wound is a stab wound! The slit is a little more than an inch long and not super wide, and yes, there is definitely quite a bit of blood leaking from it and staining the clothes considering how it's just to the left of Gin's heart.]

[hellochildren]

[Hm. He half expected that to be a post mortem wound, considering the level of blood coming from his neck. But hey, maybe ghosts are just built different or something.

If he gets a little closer, can he tell if it’s a clean cut as well? Perhaps by the state of the cloth cut by the blade? Or is it too hard too tell?]

[faentasy]

[The stab is clean, yep! No obvious bits of flesh ripped away at the edges or what have you.]

[hellochildren]

[Alright, probably the same weapon for each then. Nobody went and stole a kill.

If there’s nothing else to note about the chest, he’ll look over the wounded arm. Obviously there’s a scratch or a cut, but is there any bruising? Is it also a clean cut? On the shallow side, or is it a deep cut?

He’s not gonna let himself miss anything here.]

[faentasy]

[No bruising! It is indeed also a clean cut, which is also pretty superficial.

While he's checking out the arm wound though, Pericles might notice a couple of somethings in Gin's sleeves. One of them gleams in the dim light.]

[hellochildren]

Oh, did someone leave somesing incriminating?

[Said with the same level of glee as a child that enjoys tattling on others.

He’ll take a closer look. What’s this glittering thing? Shards of glass? Glitter? Some other third thing?]

[mathodical]

[ CLARIFICATION QUESTION: can he tell whether the stab wound, the slit throat and the gash on gin's arm are pre- or post-mortem? just realised that wasn't actually asked, whoops ]

[faentasy]

[All of them bled pretty significantly, so they're most likely pre-mortem.]